The stage is set for the National League Division Series, with the Atlanta Braves advancing to face the Los Angeles Dodgers in a best-of-five matchup beginning Saturday, Oct. 3.
In Game 2, the Phillies staged an impressive comeback to keep their postseason hopes alive. Alec Bohm delivered a two-out home run in the 10th inning, lifting the Phillies to a 4-3 victory over the Braves. With this win, Philadelphia forced a winner-take-all Game 3 in the NL Wild Card Series.
“Probably would’ve took a couple weeks off,” he joked, “doing something.”
The something De Paula was doing instead on Thursday: Going through an off-day workout with his new big-league teammates at Dodger Stadium, stepping up to the plate for an impressive round of on-field batting practice before the club’s pre-National League Division Series intrasquad game and preparing for what will likely be the next step in his rapid rise through the organization — a potential spot on the team’s postseason roster just weeks after being called straight up from Double-A for his big-league debut.
Los Angeles Dodgers’ Josue de Paula fields balls during practice ahead of the NL Division Series on Thursday at Dodger Stadium. AP Photo/Mark J. TerrillLos Angeles Dodgers’ Josue de Paula, left, and Mookie Betts chat during practice ahead of a baseball NL Division Series, Thursday, Oct. 1, 2026, in Los Angeles. AP Photo/Mark J. Terrill
No, the Dodgers have not announced any final playoff roster decisions yet.
“He’s just a special hitter,” manager Dave Roberts said last week. “[His skill set] lines up in the postseason. And no moment is going to be too big for that kid.”
Indeed, De Paula’s 11-game cameo in the big leagues last month wowed club officials and the team’s veteran clubhouse alike, as he hit .323 with one home run, five extra-base hits and seven RBIs while reaching base safely in exactly half of his first 42 MLB plate appearances.
“It’s crazy,” De Paula told the California Post. “I mean, I’ve always had super confidence. But I feel like this just gave me a little feel to it. To have the success here that I’m having, I just want to keep it going, man.”
Los Angeles Dodgers designated hitter Josue De Paula (95) hits a triple during the sixth inning against the San Diego Padres at UNIQLO Field at Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles, Wednesday, Sept. 23, 2026. IMAGN IMAGES via Reuters Connect
That didn’t mean De Paula was upset when he couldn’t keep it going last week, getting optioned to Triple-A for the final five games of the regular season upon Shohei Ohtani’s return from the injured list.
Quite the contrary, actually, with the rookie saying the club had communicated that plan to him as soon as he learned of his surprise promotion to the majors in mid-September.
“To be honest, when I first came up here, my original intention was never really to stay here,” he said. “I just wanted to have fun and do what I know how to do, take advantage of the moment.”
He did. And now, after a brief detour with the club’s Oklahoma City affiliate during its postseason run to a Triple-A title (which De Paula aided with a towering RBI double in its Pacific Coast League clincher), he’s ready for whatever comes next this October.
“We’re here again,” he said, while glancing around an empty Chavez Ravine.
Barring a twist, not for the last time this fall, either.
Ozzie Albies is doing his part to make sure the Atlanta Braves win the NL wild-card series over division rival the Philadelphia Phillies. In the bottom of the fourth inning of Game 3 of the series on Thursday, Oct. 1, he hit a two-run home run.
The switch-hitter approached the plate to swing left-handed. After getting a strike from Zack Wheeler, Albies took a pitch down the middle of the plate, swung hard and blasted the ball into right field.
The crowd at Truist Park knew it was gone as soon as he made contact and erupted in celebration. Albies let out a yell and lifted his arm with a finger pointed up as he rounded the bases. The hit was his fourth career postseason home run. Austin Riley, who was walked, also scored, giving the Braves a 5-0 lead.
And now, after Major League Baseball announced the club’s schedule for the rest of the NLDS on Thursday, more complaints are sure to come.
Members of the Los Angeles Dodgers grounds crew paint a postseason logo on the field prior to practice ahead of a baseball NL Division Series, Thursday, Oct. 1, 2026, in Los Angeles. AP Photo/Mark J. Terrill
When the team hits the road for Games 3 and 4 of the best-of-five series, fans back in Los Angeles might have to do some split-screen viewing at work. That’s because both contests will begin at 3 p.m. PT on Tuesday and Wednesday — regardless of whether they face the Braves or Phillies at the start of their quest for a World Series three-peat.
The Dodgers’ full NLDS schedule is as follows:
Game 1: Saturday, 1 p.m. at Dodger Stadium on Fox
Game 2: Sunday, 5 p.m. at Dodger Stadium on FS1
Game 3: Tuesday, 3 p.m. in either Atlanta or Philadelphia on FS1
Game 4 (if necessary): Wednesday, 3 p.m. in either Atlanta or Philadelphia on FS1
Game 5 (if necessary): Friday, Oct. 9, 5 p.m. at Dodger Stadium on Fox
Rest of Dodgers’ NLDS game times have been announced
Saturday’s opener had already drawn the ire of the fan base after being moved into the earlier 1 p.m. time slot — right in the thick of what will be a close-to-100-degree afternoon at Chavez Ravine.
Now, Games 3 and 4 will fall in the middle of a workday on the West Coast, as well, with the Dodgers getting earlier start times on the East Coast thanks, in part, to the Padres hosting Games 3 and 4 of their own NLDS in San Diego later on each night.
Nola threw harder than usual, which is normal for pitchers amped up for a big start, but he could not find the strike zone. His four-seam fastball averaged nearly two miles per hour above his season average but only 32% of his pitches were in the zone. He threw his sinker 37% of the time, about double his season rate. His knuckle curve, which held hitters to a .177 average this season, was barely a quarter of his pitches.
He was chased after a single by Dominic Smith, who was in the lineup because of his past success against Nola. Left-hander Tim Mayza replaced him with Zack Wheeler in the bullpen.
Nola, 33, is the longest-tenured player on the Phillies. He went 7-12 with a 4.67 ERA this season, though he had a 2.45 ERA over 11 starts from late July to late September. He has four years and about $98 million left on the seven-year, $172 million deal he signed in November 2023.
New York Yankees starting pitcher Gerrit Cole (45) follows through on a pitch against the Tampa Bay Rays during the first inning at Yankee Stadium in the Bronx, New York, Wednesday, September 23, 2026.
Gerrit Cole hasn’t pitched yet in this postseason, but that is certain to change against the Rays in the ALDS.
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For Cole, who missed all of last season — including the playoffs — following Tommy John surgery, it will be worth the wait.
“This time around, I have a different perspective,’’ Cole said in the celebratory clubhouse late Wednesday night. “Having missed it last year to now being right in the thick of it. To overcome the obstacles from the surgery and maintain my performance and be in this position after a lot of hard work, it means a little more this year.”
Cole said of this postseason, “It’s 2.0. A second bite of the apple.”
For Cole, who arrived in The Bronx with much fanfare in December 2020, the goal has always been to get the Yankees — his childhood team — another World Series title.
They took a shot at it in 2024 before falling short to the Dodgers in five games, but now, after tearing his UCL the following spring training, the 36-year-old feels they have a good chance to keep this postseason run going.
New York Yankees starting pitcher Gerrit Cole (45) follows through on a pitch against the Tampa Bay Rays during the first inning at Yankee Stadium in the Bronx, New York, Wednesday, September 23, 2026. IMAGN IMAGES via Reuters Connect
A big part of that is their rotation, which will be tested more in the best-of-five ALDS against Tampa Bay than in the two-game sweep at home over a Red Sox team that was gasping to the finish line.
At various points during the season, nearly all of the Yankee starters dealt with at least some injury concern, whether it was Cole returning from Tommy John in May, Carlos Rodón also missing the beginning of the season following his offseason elbow surgery or Max Fried battling a bone bruise in his left elbow.
But as the Yankees now head into the heart of the playoffs in the first week of October, their rotation is lined up as well as they could have planned.
“The mix of all of us looks good,” Cole said. “We have four or five unique arms, with completely different stuff and it’s elite.”
The Yankees didn’t announce their rotation order for the ALDS on Wednesday, but Cole and Rodón are in line to pitch Game 1, with Cam Schlittler potentially in Game 2 so he would be available for a Game 5 start.
“However they draw it up, I think we’re in a good spot,’’ Cole said. “Carlos and I will just take the ball and we all have our own unique ways of doing it.”
He believes the same is true of the rest of the team, which showed off some flexibility in the wild-card series, with multiple players playing first base, second, third, center field and right.
For the two games against Boston, they hardly even seemed to miss Aaron Judge, who remains out with a strained calf.
The 2023 Yankees were unable to overcome his absence and missed the playoffs when Judge suffered a torn ligament in his toe.
“It’s taken all of us,’’ Cole said. “We found a way to thrive with a hand behind our back … [and] we have a lot of different ways to beat you.”
Cole hopes he’s one of them in the next round, having last pitched a postseason game in the ugly Game 5 loss to the Dodgers two years ago.
Michael Harris II smacked a three-run home run in the bottom of the first on Thursday, Oct. 1 at Truist Park.
With a 2-0 count, the center fielder took a low pitch from Phillies starter Aaron Nola and swung at his ankles. He sent the ball sailing over Bryce Harper and into the stands in right field.
The home run also scored Ronald Acuña Jr. and Matt Olson, who were both walked, and put the Braves up 3-0.
"Ball was a little low, but I was just trying to hit it out," the 2022 Rookie of the Year said on the NBC broadcast before the bottom of the second inning. "I did it."
The series is tied 1-1. The winner will go on to play the Los Angeles Dodgers.
Jacob Misiorowski held hitters to a .157 batting average this season, the lowest by any pitcher with at least 100 innings since 1990. The San Diego Padres get their first crack at him at 8:30 p.m. ET Saturday in Milwaukee. It's the last game of the four on the Division Series' opening day, MLB announced Thursday.
Fans came out in droves to see “The Rivalry” play out in the postseason.
Tuesday’s Yankees-Red Sox wild-card matchup averaged 7.3 million viewers on NBC and Peacock, the most-watched Game 1 among wild-card and division series games in 20 years, the network reported Thursday.
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The 9-0 Yankees win was the most-viewed game of its category since Game 1 of the Tigers-Yankees ALDS series in 2006.
Tuesday’s game peaked at 8.5 million viewers from 9-9:15 p.m. ET, and posted an overall 12 percent increase from last year’s Yankees-Red Sox wild-card series Game 1.
New York Yankees third baseman Ryan McMahon (19) greets designated hitter Ben Rice (22) after the final out of the ninth inning of Game 1 of the American League Wild Card Series at Yankee Stadium on Sept. 29, 2026. Charles Wenzelberg / New York Post
Both games saw the Yankees’ offense explode for late-inning rallies, with the Bombers scoring five runs in the eighth of Game 1 and six runs in the sixth of Game 2.
“I thought we did a lot of good things offensively,” Boone said following Game 2, “whether it was obviously a couple big long balls, Spencer legs out a strikeout to start the big inning, the stolen base comes into play, we put some balls in play, a couple of really well-computed bunt situations.”
New York Yankees first baseman Luis Garcia Jr. reacts as he rounds the base on his solo home run in the fourth inning of Game 2 of the Wild Card game against the Boston Red Sox at Yankee Stadium on Sept. 30, 2026. Robert Sabo for New York Post
In the National League, Tuesday’s Phillies-Braves matchup was the most-watched afternoon wild-card Game 1 of all time, averaging 3.9 million viewers across NBC and Peacock.
The 5-3 Braves win, which peaked at 5 million viewers from 4:30-4:45 p.m. ET, was a 15 percent increase from the Padres-Cubs Game 1 wild-card matchup in 2025.
The historic numbers come during NBC’s return to MLB playoff broadcasting for the first time in 25 years.
These increases also appear to be reflective league-wide this season, with Front Office Sports reporting in May that national MLB broadcasts were up 44 percent compared to last year.
In-game attendance also grew for the fourth straight season, with 71.5 million fans going to games in 2026, the most since 2017.
ATLANTA, GEORGIA - SEPTEMBER 30: Alec Bohm #28 of the Philadelphia Phillies runs the bases after hitting a home run against the Atlanta Braves during the tenth inning in game two of the National League Wild Card Series at Truist Park on September 30, 2026 in Atlanta, Georgia. (Photo by Edward M. Pio Roda/Getty Images) | Getty Images
Blink and you’d have missed it: three of four wild card series are already over in two games. The Yankees, Padres, and the White Sox all punched their tickets to the Division Series yesterday. There were good storylines in all three. Too bad, so sad, for the Red Sox and their truly MIA offense (but Adley went 0-for-4 and I am rather bummed). The White Sox ended a 21-year drought in which they hadn’t won a playoff series. And the Padres downed the Cubs, and now get to face the presumptive NL Cy Young Award winner in Milwaukee’s Jacob Misiorowski.
So that leaves just one game today: the Braves vs. the Phillies, for all the marbles. In Game 1, the Braves took a stunning come-from-behind win on a Philadelphia bullpen collapse, but Philadelphia staved off elimination in Game 2.
For Philly, it’ll be right hander Aaron Nola on the mound. Nola had a 4.50 ERA in three starts against Atlanta this season. MLB.com suggests we might see ace Zack Wheeler entering the game in relief, despite being on short rest. With everything on the line, certainly could be.
As for the Braves, it’ll be southpaw Ray Kerr appearing as an opener, presumably to handle lefty sluggers Bryce Harper and Kyle Schwarber at the top of the lineup. After that, righty Grant Holmes (10-6, 3.44 ERA in the regular season) is expected to handle most of the innings.
ATLANTA, GA - SEPTEMBER 29: The Wild Card base logo is seen before Game One of the Wild Card Series between the Atlanta Braves and the Philadelphia Phillies at Truist Park on September 29, 2026 in Atlanta, Georgia. (Photo by Matthew Grimes Jr./Atlanta Braves/Getty Images) | Getty Images
And then there was one. Three of the four wild-card games proved to be pretty dull, with the Red Sox, Cubs and Astros rolling over with the lightest of struggles. So that just leaves the Phillies and Braves. Game #1 saw Atlanta come back from behind to take victory, while the roles were reversed in Game #2. So that sets the stage for a “winner takes all” Game #3 tonight in Atlanta. Enjoy it, because it’s the only baseball you are going to get today or tomorrow, before the Division Series get under way on Saturday. That’ll be another four-game slate, and might be the last such of the post-season, if one or other NLDS is a sweep. Because we then go into staggered games, the ALDS getting a day-off on Sunday.
Philadelphia Phillies @ Atlanta Braves (1-1): 5:00 pm, NBC/Peacock
Starter question: it’s likely to trivial to bother with a poll, but who do you want to win this one?
LOS ANGELES — The full schedule for the Division Series round was announced by Major League Baseball on Thursday, giving us the start times for potentially all five games of the Dodgers’ first postseason round.
When the series shifts to the Eastern time zone, Game 3 on Tuesday will be televised at 3 p.m. PT, with Wednesday’s Game 4 also starting at 3 p.m. PT, if necessary. Both Games 3 and 4 will be televised by FS1.
If there’s a Game 5 in the Dodgers’ NLDS, it will be back at Dodger Stadium on Friday, October 9, with a 5 p.m. PT start time on Fox.
ATLANTA, GEORGIA - SEPTEMBER 29: Ronald Acuna Jr. #13, Michael Harris II #23, and Mike Yastrzemski #18 of the Atlanta Braves celebrate defeating the Philadelphia Phillies in game one of the National League Wild Card Series at Truist Park on September 29, 2026 in Atlanta, Georgia. (Photo by Edward M. Pio Roda/Getty Images) | Getty Images
Only one Wild Card series made it to three games. Phillies and Braves play at 8:00 Eastern.
Aaron Nola (7-12, 4.67) vs. Ray Kerr (0-0, 1.47 in 9 games, 1 start 18.1 innings).
Today’s Lineups
PHILLIES
BRAVES
Trea Turner – SS
Drake Baldwin – C
Kyle Schwarber – DH
Ronald Acuna – RF
Bryce Harper – RF
Matt Olson – 1B
Alec Bohm – 1B
Michael Harris – CF
Bryson Stott – 2B
Mauricio Dubon – SS
Bryan De La Cruz – LF
Mike Yastrzemski – LF
Edmundo Sosa – 3B
Austin Riley – 3B
J.T. Realmuto – C
Ozzie Albies – 2B
Justin Crawford – CF
Dominic Smith – DH
Aaron Nola – RHP
Grant Holmes – RHP
In the other Series:
White Sox beat the Astros thru Divine Intervention. Always good to have a fan with red phone to God himself. 7-3 for the Sox yesterday. It was a fun game to watch.
Yankees thumped the Red Sox 9-2. Normally I’d be thrilled to see the Red Sox beaten so bad, but by the Yankees? Lots of complaints from the Red Sox players. A little weird that the Red Sox did their whole home run celebration for a home run that cut the lead to 6 in the seventh inning, but just be you I guess. And Red Sox players complaining that they use computers was interesting. I don’t think computers caused them to get just four hits. The Yankees had 14 hits.
And the Padres won 4-1 knocking the Cubs out, so now I don’t have a team to cheer for. Kevin Gausman had a rough time, giving up 3 runs in 3.1 innings.
New York Yankees' Trent Grisham bunts during the sixth inning against the Boston Red Sox in Game 2 of baseball's American League Wild Card Series, Wednesday, Sept. 30, 2026, in New York.
The most memorable swings of the Yankees’ wild-card triumph belonged to Ben Rice, Luis García and Cody Bellinger, whose home runs changed games.
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But the Yankees offense tormented the Red Sox’s pitching staff with lengthy, quality at-bats, timely hitting, simply making contact when contact was required and plenty of speed that Yankees teams of recent vintage did not have.
It was just two games. But they were two games that provided a blueprint for how the attack, particularly if it continues to lack the power of Aaron Judge, operates at its best.
In the two games, the Yankees went 9-for-20 with runners in scoring position and struck out just 14 times. A team that in the past has waited for the knockout blow instead scratched out whatever it could, perhaps best exemplified by Wednesday’s sixth inning.
Against Garrett Crochet, Spencer Jones looked overwhelmed in chasing a strike-three sweeper in the dirt — but then showed off rare speed in reaching first base on a wild pitch that did not get that far away from Adley Rutschman.
New York Yankees’ Trent Grisham bunts during the sixth inning against the Boston Red Sox in Game 2 of baseball’s American League Wild Card Series, Wednesday, Sept. 30, 2026, in New York. AP Photo/Frank Franklin II
Jones then stole second, advanced to third when the throw trickled into center field, and scored on the next pitch because George Lombard Jr., who just needed to put the bat on the ball, singled for a two-run edge.
After a Jazz Chisholm Jr. single that put runners on first and second, Trent Grisham — who had zero sacrifice bunts and zero bunt singles during the regular season — bunted nicely to third base and beat out a poor throw from Caleb Durbin.
With the bases loaded, none out and Garrett Whitlock in the game, the Yankees used more small ball to gain separation. Austin Wells lifted a sacrifice fly that scored a run. Ryan McMahon, who earlier in the at-bat attempted a safety squeeze, only sent a Whitlock changeup 1 foot in the air, but the soft chopper to third base scored another.
And two batters later, Bellinger poked a homer just deep enough to right to remind they can play big ball, too.
“I thought we did a lot of good things offensively,” Boone said, “whether it was obviously a couple big long balls, Spencer legs out a strikeout to start the big inning, the stolen base comes into play, we put some balls in play, a couple of really well-computed bunt situations.”
Among those to make his postseason debut Wednesday was Brent Headrick, who retired the only batter he faced.
David Bednar, who tossed a scoreless ninth inning, owns a 1.29 ERA (seven innings, one earned run) with 10 strikeouts in six career playoff games.
The Yankees are expected to have a workout day Friday in St. Petersburg, Fla.
The Yankees outrighted righty Alexander Cornielle, who had been designated for assignment Tuesday, off the major league roster and onto the roster of the FCL Yankees.
In the midst of a joyous but not raucous celebration in a Yankees clubhouse that was drenched but not flooding, Cody Bellinger provided perspective about what the club had done and had not done.
“We were here last year,” the veteran outfielder said after his three-run home run Wednesday added some late thunder in a sweep of the Red Sox in the wild-card series. “We were at this [upcoming] series.”
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Bellinger did not finish the sentence, but this upcoming series is when their run ended.
The location and opponent will be different, but the Yankees’ next series mirrors the hurdle they could not climb over last year: an ALDS matchup with an AL East champion whom the Yankees could not catch and is built on a contact-hitting approach and also flourishes at home.
Playing the role of the Blue Jays this year are the Rays, whom the Yankees did not solve in the regular season.
Will the 2026 Yankees be any different than the 2025 version?
Beginning Saturday in St. Petersburg, Fla., they will find out.
New York Yankees left fielder Cody Bellinger connects on a three-run home run off the Boston Red Sox in the sixth inning during game two of the 2026 American League wild-card series at Yankees Stadium in The Bronx, New York, Wednesday, September 30, 2026. Jason Szenes for NY Post
“We have, hopefully, a long month in front of us,” manager Aaron Boone said. “And we know the next obstacle is a really challenging one with the Rays, but I love how [we are] playing the game.”
The Yankees are thriving on the backs of a series of aces — Cam Schlittler and Max Fried combined for 12 ¹/₃, one-run, five-hit, 16-strikeout innings against Boston, thus not even requiring Gerrit Cole and Carlos Rodón to pitch — as well as an offense that, for two games at least, collectively stepped up without Aaron Judge.
But they only played Tuesday and Wednesday because the league-best Rays seized control of the division June 28 and never really were threatened afterward, finishing 4 ½ games clear of the Yankees.
Tampa Bay won the season series, taking seven of the 13 games. The Rays dominated on their home turf — a term here used literally — in winning five of the seven head-to-head contests, including a memorable sweep in April in which the Rays continually put the ball in play and the Yankees continually showed their defense was not up for the challenge.
No team in baseball made as much contact as the Rays (18.8 percent strikeout rate), who play the same brand of baseball as the 2025 Blue Jays who so frustrated the Yankees’ staff — and have more speed, tops in the American League in steals.
Tampa Bay Rays’ Junior Caminero (13) celebrates after hitting a two-run home run in the first inning during a game against the Philadelphia Phillies at Citizens Bank Park in Philadelphia, Saturday, Sept. 26, 2026. Getty Images
No team bunted, either for sacrifices or hits, than the Rays, who play their home games at Tropicana Field, where they try to use the hard and fast artificial turf to their advantage, putting constant pressure on the opposing defense.
Where the 2025 Blue Jays had Vladimir Guerrero Jr., the 2026 Rays have Junior Caminero.
Their rotation’s ERA (3.51), anchored by All-Stars Drew Rasmussen and Nick Martinez, only trailed the Yankees’ (3.30) in the AL. Their solid bullpen helped them go 25-14 in one-run games.
For the entirety of the season, they essentially did everything well.
“They’re a good team. Pitch well. Hit for power. Hit for contact,” Bellinger said. “… We’re going to have to play good baseball.”
That will mean the club’s defensive questions — maybe most notably in center, where Trent Grisham’s hamstring or effort level gifted an extra base to Boston on Wednesday — will go under the microscope. Whether Boone favors a platoon bat or a surer defender at several positions will be curious.
New York Yankees designated hitter Ben Rice reacts after connecting on a grand slam off of the Boston Red Sox in the eighth inning during Game 1 of the 2026 American League Wild Card series at Yankees Stadium in The Bronx, New York, Tuesday, Sept. 29, 2026. JASON SZENES FOR NEW YORK POST
Not as curious as whether Judge — two-plus weeks removed from his calf strain and doing “everything I can” to be ready, he said — will talk his way onto a roster that at least did not need him for one round.
In explaining how they knocked around the Red Sox so easily, several Yankees referenced the club’s depth — Ben Rice and Bellinger may have led the team’s attack, but the lineup received contributions from just about everyone — that it will need to lean on with or without Judge.
“Keep playing like we’re playing, and trusting one another,” said José Caballero, who knows the Rays better than anyone. “We know that we have a deep team that we can beat anyone and just keep trusting the guys behind us.”
And if the Yankees are going to get past the Rays — and an ALCS opponent and whoever awaits in the World Series — their rotation would have to continue buzzsawing through opposing lineups.
“It’s always good to celebrate,” said Schlittler, set up to start Games 2 and 5. “Hopefully we get to do it a couple more times.”